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The Second Appearance of Jesus with His Kingdom is a Personal Experience!
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  1. I have heard it is said that Christ’s return, entering the Kingdom, and salvation are simultaneous, when he is revealed within you how does you then explain the following verses , hope for an answer .

    st Paul says

    2 Timothy 4:6  For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
    7  I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
    8  Henceforth there is laid up for me a Crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

    Paul knew his life was coming to and end and he had kept the faith fought valiantly and finished his course and was ready to be offered ,seems to me he speak about his forthcoming martyrdom and death (this is st Pauls last letter) so why would he speak of another day when he (Christ) shall appear and crown him future tense when he was crucified with Christ already
    what is this appearance then if he if Paul already had experienced his second apperance he wasnt yet crowned when he wrote this and this is at the end of his life .

    What day is he Paul speaking of in future tense ? i think Peter answers this very clearly.

    1 Peter 5:4  And when the Chief Shepherd shall (appear), ye shall receive a Crown of glory that fadeth not away.

    This is the Crown Paul would recive on that day when the Chief Sheperd would appear ( So what is the appearance then if not His second coming in Glory ) ?

    I would love to have you explain this to me if i am wrong ,because i realy want to learn but for me i cant see it another way even i try but this seems to fit perfectly but i am open for learning.

    Paul Peter and John and all the saints of theyr day waited for this appearance to be Crowned when they had finished theyr course. Entering his Kingdom yes we can do while in the flesh just as Noah entered the arc but it seems there is a special day (future tense ) when the Chief Sheperd would appear in his Kingdom to give the faithful servants the Crown of life if we hold out to the end and the Unjust will be judged.

    2 Timothy 4:1  ¶I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

    1 John 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    John speaks of a future event including himself when (WE) seee him as he is. This had not happened yet to John at this very moment in time when he he wrote this letter ( seen Him but not seen Him as He is ( i belive this refers to When the Lord comes in his Glorified state to be Glorified in his saints he also mentioned that it didnt appear yet what they should be.But we press forward that we might gain the Crown of life .

    2 Thessalonians 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

    I think we start out by entering the Kingdom of God here but for me it seems that there is a special day set apart when the Chief Sheperd shall appear in Glory in his Kingdom to recopence everyone according to theyr deeds He will be Glorified in His saints when we shall see Him as He is they will recive the crown of life when they have finished theyr course and to the unjust the Lord in flaming fire will take vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of his power; 2 Thess 7-12

    1 Thessalonians 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    Paul mentioning here that the dead in Christ rise first then he says we wich are alive and remain shall be caught up with them wasnt Paul crucified with Christ at this moment when he wrote this letter to thessalonica ? he says and (WE) wich are alive and remain doesnt that mean a special day set apart for them to be caught up as well as the dead in Christ who was caught up first and the remaning saints wil be caught up after them ? I belive the remaining saints was already in the Kingdom here while in the flesh on earth but the day when Jesus should crown them had not yet appeared this was written for theyr comfort in times of great persecution and tribulation when many saints was martyred and killed .

  2. Morten, thank you for your comment.

    There is a Scripture that talks about justification, sanctification and glorification. Being justified by faith is instantaneous; sanctification is not instantaneous–this happens over years and years. The length of time of tribulation or purification to the individual varies (I guess), but this purification must take place to prepare the vessel for the Second Coming of Christ. When Christ comes to you the Second Time, the Presence of God is permanent. Glorification is another word for rapture (rapture is spiritual–it is not a physical or bodily removal from the Earth). When the Lord glorifies your body (rapture), the power of the Holy Ghost destroys Satanic strongholds in your body and in the heavenly realm.

    At the age of 22, I asked Christ into my life. After a few years of tribulation, Christ came to me the Second Time at the age of 26. The Presence of God has resided permanently in me since that time. I experience rapture probably three or four times a week–you can also call this the Holy Ghost Fire.

    I am not sure if this answer your questions, but this is the best that I can do.

    “Upon Mount Zion Shall Be Deliverance”
    http://tim-shey.blogspot.com/2010/11/upon-mount-zion-shall-be-deliverance.html

    “Holy Ghost Fire”
    http://tim-shey.blogspot.com/2010/07/holy-ghost-fire.html

  3. My dear Friend thank you for youre reply but that still does not answer my question :

    2 Timothy 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
    7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
    8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a Crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

    Paul knew his life was coming to and end and he had kept the faith fought valiantly and finished his course and was ready to be offered ,seems to me he speak about his forthcoming martyrdom and death (this is st Pauls last letter) so why would he speak of another day when he (Christ) shall appear and crown him future tense when he was crucified with Christ already
    what is this appearance then if he if Paul already had experienced his second apperance he wasnt yet crowned when he wrote this and this is at the end of his life .

    What day is he Paul speaking of in future tense ? I think Peter answers this

    1 Peter 5:4 And when the Chief Shepherd shall (appear), ye shall receive a Crown of glory that fadeth not away.

    This is the Crown Paul would recive on that day when the Chief Sheperd would appear ( So what is the appearance then if not His second coming in Glory ) ?

    Dont you agree that st Paul already had crucified his flesh and that Christ lived in him at the point of his last letter when he said that the crown would be given him on that day (what day?) Look at what Peter say about the crown of life wich will be given to you when The chief sheperd (Appear) what appearance is this ?

    I realy hope to get an answer to what this Apperance is since Paul at the end of his life still wasnt crowned even he was crucified with Christ already, personally for me it seems that the crown of life is given you after this life in the mortal body if we hold out to the end and finish our course then he will appear unto us and give the faithful servant the crown of life.

  4. Morten, I don’t believe that Paul experienced the Second Coming (the Appearance, crowned with glory) during his earthly ministry. I believe that John the Apostle was the first man to experience the Second Coming. John the Apostle’s life was glorious after he experienced the Second Coming—this is why he didn’t die a martyr’s death and why he was banned to the Isle of Patmos.

    John 21: 20-24: “Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.”

    “The Second Coming”
    http://tim-shey.blogspot.com/2011/02/second-coming_25.html

  5. Greetings Tim

    So John fell down as a dead because he saw him as he is on that on that day in his Glorified state and thus was caught up in a cloud rev 4:1 to recive his crown while still in his mortal probation.

    Revelation 1:10  I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
    11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
    12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
    13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
    14  His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
    15  And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
    16  And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
    17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

    Revelation 4:1  ¶After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

    Matthew 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Matthew 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    But in Matthew it seems like the just and unjust will be on earth until there is a seperation at a point in time

    Jude 1:14  And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
    15  ¶To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him

    Also here it seems like the ungodly are judged simultaniously

    Thank you for your reply

  6. Hey Tim i have to ask you again since i search for the truth and in need of some answers can u tell me what these scripture are meant to be understood

    Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    Does this mean that regardless of how people live theyr life there will come a time when Jesus come back to earth if its individual to the followers of Christ why does he then speak of a coming back to the earth and wondering if there is still faith ?

    another question

    You said in ur comment

    Tim SheyMarch 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM
    Most Christians think The Second Coming is going to happen sometime in the future. The Second Coming has been happening to purified vessels for the past two thousand years.

    When the Scriptures says that He will come with clouds, this means that He will be hidden–The Second Coming will not be observed with carnal, physical eyes. Spiritual eyes will be able to observe The Second Coming. Most Christians don’t have spiritual eyes.

    “The spiritual man judges all things.”

    “The Kingdom comes not with observation.”

    But Mathew says

    Matthew 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Revelation 1:7  Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    Seems to me that all tribes and tounges of the earth shal see him and mourn even thoose who pierced him i dont belive all wich are spoken of above is pure so how can it be hidden for the unbeliver ?

    Hope for an answer since i can agree to much of what you say but some things are unclear..

    Morten Dramstad

  7. In answer to your first question:

    Christ that lives in me still wonders if there is still faith in the earth–especially when I see so many shallow, lukewarm evangelical Christians here in the United States.

    In answer to your second question:

    All those tribes and tongues that rejected Christ during their lifetimes will die and mourn; they will see Christ on the Cross before they are turned into hell (I got this from two sources: Kim Clement, a prophet and, I believe, from Hall Worthington’s website).

    Here is something very interesting:

    “The Death of Voltaire”
    http://tim-shey.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-death-of-voltaire.html

  8. Thank you , interesting there is so many things i like to know , but i belive if we search we shall find if we knock it shall be opened for us God bless you brother 🙂 happy to have a dialogue with you , i am always thinking if i preach it must be in accordance with the truth .

  9. One bible yet so many interpretations and so many denominations Peter said the scripture are not given for private interpretations , seems like the early christian church preached one truth in accordance with the spirit of truth but even at the time of the apostles there crept into the churches sourdoug and doctrines and traditions of menand thus led many saints astray.

  10. Morten: Amen. Some good teachers that have influenced me are Oswald Chambers, Watchman Nee and Hall Worthington. But the important thing is to let the Lord teach us Himself through the revelation of the Holy Ghost.

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