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When Ministry Comes to an End   2 comments

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By Lori Rodeheaver

Then Samuel went to Ramah, and Saul went up to his house in Gibeah of Saul. 35 And Samuel did not see Saul again until the day of his death, but Samuel grieved over Saul. And the Lord regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel. ~1 Samuel 15:34-35

Here, we find that the prophet Samuel is finished dealing with Saul – at least on a human level.  They part ways and never again does Samuel go to advise or restore  him to the truth.  Never.  Why?

It seems kind of harsh, doesn’t it?  I mean, clearly, from the wise old prophet’s standpoint, Saul was still in desperate need of his help.  But Samuel offered no more help.  He offered no more advise.  He gave no more instructions to this man – ever.  Yet, he still grieved over Saul.  He still mourned over Saul’s condition.  Doubtless, Samuel still longed for reconciliation and salvation to come to Saul and continued to pray for him.

The reason we find no more interaction between the prophet and Saul is not because Samuel is angry over Saul’s rebellion and stupidity.  It’s not because he is grudge-holding or sinner-snubbing.  It’s because Saul himself had made it overwhelmingly clear that he neither valued nor heeded any of Samuel’s wise advice previously.

Mercy upon mercy had been given to Saul by Samuel.  Directive upon directive had been carefully laid out like a young child’s schoolteacher would offer them – precept upon precept.  Kindness upon kindness.  Prayer upon prayer.  Instruction upon instruction.  But Saul wholly rejected all of it.  He treated every grace given to him as garbage.  None of it mattered to Saul’s proud and selfish heart.  He did his own thing his own way every single day of his life – with or without Samuel’s lectures sounding in his ears.  That wasn’t about to change now. So really, who rejected who?

How does this account square with Christ’s example of reaching out to those in need of spiritual help?  His example to be a friend of sinners?  Especially self-righteous, religious sinners who think they’ve no spiritual lack to need help with?

The truth is that we must always reach out to people in love, as the Lord gives opportunity.  However, the continuation of our extension of God’s wisdom and mercy toward them is really dependent upon their reception of it.  Either they will repeatedly receive the wise counsel of His Word and grow, or they will repeatedly reject it and grow cold.  Clearly, though, there does come a point when we must shake the dust and move on from those who repeatedly reject the truth and insist upon doing their own thing their own way every day.  As much as it grieves us to depart from those hardened in their sinful state (and it should grieve us), there are times when we must ask ourselves whether we are best using the time God gave us on this earth.  Honestly, how many times can we have the same conversation with someone before we begin to infringe upon their human dignity and right to make their own bad decisions in life?

Just because we part ways with an unrepentant friend, it doesn’t mean we have stopped loving them.  It doesn’t mean we don’t mourn over them.  It just means that we’ve accepted their repeated rejection of truth.  It means we respect them enough as a person to stop preaching a gospel they damn themselves by trampling.

As Matthew Henry said, “We must mourn for the rejection of sinners, though we withdraw from them and dare not converse familiarly with them, and, though they do not mourn for themselves.”

Samuel wasn’t harsh.  He was broken.  He knew nothing he could do or say would change the hardened mind of this unbeliever.  He knew because he had already done and said everything he possibly could have that should have produced change.  He chalked this one up to the sovereignty of God and left it at that.

Sometimes its wise to preach the gospel.  Sometimes it’s just as wise not to.

Everyday Encounters with the Creator

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A couple of comments of mine:

This is excellent. We aren’t here to beat a dead horse.

Back in 1990, I gave a testimony to the Assembly of God in Ames, Iowa. This was the SECOND time that I gave this testimony in six months. I said something like, “I would like to thank the Lord for casting hundreds of demons out of my body.” That testimony was rejected by Pastor Gary Pilcher and probably half the congregation. Immediately, the Lord told me to take off my shoes and shake the dust from my shoes in the sight of that congregation. I didn’t do it because I felt sorry for Pastor Pilcher.

Later, as I walked out of that church, Pastor Pilcher told me that my testimony glorified Satan. When Pastor Pilcher said that, he blasphemed the Holy Ghost. Pastor Pilcher will never get saved–he reminds me of King Saul. Pastor Pilcher is now the assistant superintendent for the Assemblies of God in central Iowa (Des Moines). Birds of a feather flock together.

I went to that church for two more Sundays and then never went back. The last Sunday I was in that church I was literally shaking in my boots because I thought the Lord was going to kill me–because it was SIN for me to be in that church.

If church people want to reject the power of the Holy Ghost, they are free to do so–but I won’t be there with them.

“Come out from among them and be ye separate.”

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Lori: Here is a Scripture that confirms what you said in your post about Samuel never returning to Saul to give him Godly counsel:

“If you return, then I will bring you back; you shall stand before Me; if you take out the precious from the vile, you shall be as My mouth. Let them return to you, but you must not return to them” –Jeremiah 15: 19

“Thus Saith the Lord? by John Bevere”
http://tim-shey.blogspot.com/2011/02/thus-saith-lord.html

Thus Saith the Lord?   1 comment

Thus saith the Lord

Dreams from the LORD 2003-2006
6 May 2005

This morning I hitchhiked to Victor, Idaho and I had some good fellowship with Trent, who picked me up earlier this week. I have been reading John Bevere’s Thus Saith the LORD? It is a very good book. It is essential to know the difference between a real prophet and a false prophet. If a man speaks to you, either you have peace in your spirit or you do not. If a false prophet speaks to you, there will be no peace in your spirit and you will not be edified. And a false prophet bears rotten fruit. Look at a man’s life: if his life is a mess, then there is something wrong with the man.

7 May 2005

Last night I was attacked by demons two different times while I was sleeping. I said, “Blood of Jesus” over and over till they left the room. I believe they attacked me because Trent and myself had a powerful prayer meeting last evening where we really stirred up a hornet’s nest. Praise the Lord! If Satan had any brains, he would not attack me like that. When I get attacked like I did last night, I know that I am destroying some satanic stronghold. I have come to destroy the works of the devil.

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From John Bevere’s Thus Saith the LORD? Page 70-71: “’For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel: “In returning and rest you shall be saved; in quietness and confidence shall be your strength.”’—Isaiah 30: 15.

“Scripture describes us as sheep who have wandered and strayed. Yet salvation is not found merely in returning but in the combination of returning and resting. This Hebrew word for saved is yasha. Essentially this word means ‘to remove or seek to remove someone from a burden, oppression, or danger.’

“One of Strong’s definitions of it is ‘to be safe.’ In this state of rest, or contentment we find safety from deception! Here we are not misled or led astray.”

Page 89: “Confusion is often the product of false words.”

Page 90: “The Hebrew word for divination is qecem. It means ‘an oracle,’ yet it is not from the Lord. Simply put, these prophets speak their own oracles as though they were God’s. Yet the words are not God’s but their own. This is another way of describing the imitation or counterfeit of the true prophetic word of the Lord.

“The divination defiled this couple and reduced them to a state of limbo or barren uselessness. Again, remember God’s warning: ‘Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; they speak a vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the Lord.” (Jer. 23: 16).

Page 111: “Notice Jesus was described as one whose eyes are like a flame of fire (Revelation 2: 18-19). This denotes an intense ability to see through any darkness or outward veil to the very heart of the matter. If penned today, the verse might have compared His eyes to lasers. They pierce through the natural and obvious to expose the very root or motive. By all appearances, this church lacked nothing. Without discernment this body of believers would appear flawless, yet Jesus saw past the great works of the body and pointed out a very dangerous flaw.”

Page 119: “Whenever we assume a position of authority without God’s appointment we are exalting ourselves. This includes those who are called but have yet to be appointed. Persons who commission themselves will ultimately serve themselves since the grace of God is not on them for that position. They will develop self-serving methods and agendas.”

Page 123: “The Scriptures make it clear that Moses knew in his heart he was the deliverer God would use to break the bondage of Egypt from his brethren. But it was one thing to be called and another thing to be appointed.”

“’Whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.’ –Matthew 21: 44

“Jesus is the Stumbling Stone, and His breaking process could be compared to a trainer breaking a war-horse. A horse is not fit for battle until his will is broken. Though he may be stronger, swifter and more gifted than all those around him, he cannot serve until his will is broken. To be broken does not mean to be weakened. It means your will is completely submitted to the will of your Master. In the horse’s case, its master is the rider. If the horse is successfully broken and trained he can be trusted in war. In the heat of battle as arrows or bullets fly he will flinch. While axes, swords, and guns are raised in battle he will not deviate from his master’s desires. He will stay in firm submission to his Master, void of any attempt to protect or benefit himself.”

Page 125: “Our democratic society is a breeding ground for insubordination. Because of this we have lost sight of what it means to submit to authority. True submission never wavers. Yet today we only submit when we agree. If authority goes against our will or direction, we disobey or grudgingly go along with it until a better option presents itself. This makes us especially vulnerable to deception and the counterfeit prophetic ministry.”

Page 129: “Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets” (Luke 6: 26).

Page 171: “It does not matter if this word comes from another or if we’ve heard it within our hearts, the witness of peace found through the Spirit of Christ is to be the umpire at all times. If we sense peace in our hearts it is the Holy Spirit’s confirmation of truth. If there is unrest or grieving in our hearts, it is not the Spirit of God who has spoken.”

Page 182: “’If you return, then I will bring you back; you shall stand before Me; if you take out the precious from the vile, you shall be as My mouth. Let them return to you, but you must not return to them’ –Jeremiah 15: 19. Emphasis added.”

“But you must not return to them.” Amen. John Bevere’s Thus Saith the Lord? is a great book. I know the Lord wanted me to read it. False prophets and false Christians have defiled me because their words were not of God. The Lord has showed me in my own experience that if I warn someone of sin in their life, and they don’t receive it, that I don’t have to go back and warn them again. Let God deal with them—let go and let God. Sometimes our most powerful sermon is our life separated from false believers. Birds of a feather flock together.

A False Prophet